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MISSION STATEMENT:

iDesign Club at UCI seeks to foster scientific discussions regarding the origins of life and the universe. Theories such as Darwinian evolution, intelligent design, and creationism will be critically analyzed.


FAQ:

Q: WHAT IS THIS CLUB ABOUT?

Origins! We are interested in discussing alternative theories to the origins of biological structures. While the current mainstream theory in academia is Darwinian evolution, we would also like to discuss other viable ideas, such as intelligent design.

Q: WHO CAN BE A MEMBER OF THIS CLUB?

Anybody! Students of Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Mathematics, Computer Science, Engineering, Anthropology, and Philosophy may especially find this club intriguing. However, you do not need to have a science background to be an effective member of this club.

Q: WHEN AND WHERE ARE CLUB MEETINGS?

Please check blog entries for time and place.

Q: WHAT IS THE MEMBERSHIP FEE?

Nothing! There are no membership dues.

Q: IS THIS CLUB BIASED TOWARDS ONE SPECIFIC THEORY OF ORIGINS?

Perhaps. Ponder the name of this club. This club is ideologically the mirror of another club at UCI, the Students for Science and Skepticism. However, our main goal is to give a balanced view of the controversy regarding the origins of life so that students can come to an informed conclusion themselves.

Q: WHAT DOES THE LETTER "i" STAND FOR IN iDESIGN?

Good question -- the answer is intelligent.

Q: WHERE IS THE CLUB CONSTITUTION?

We adhere to the minimum constitution that was provided by the Dean of Students. In the future, we plan to draft a comprehensive constitution and bylaws.

Q: IS iDESIGN AFFILIATED WITH ANY ORGANIZATION?

No. However, we are friends with the IDEA Center


ORGANIZATION:

PRESIDENT:
Arthur
Information and Computer Science

VICE PRESIDENT:
Brian
Biology / English

DIRECTOR:
Andrew
English / Economics



Thursday, February 23, 2006

500 Scientists Publicly Skeptical Of Darwinism

The number of scientists publicly skeptical of Darwinism has grown to over 500. These scientists come from diverse fields like biology, chemistry, physics, computer science, and engineering. They have all signed "A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism," which states the following:
"We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."
Check out the article from the New York Times, titled "Few Biologists but Many Evangelicals Sign Anti-Evolution Petition." This article acknowledges that 128 of the signers are biologists (and that doesn't count biochemists). Here is a part of the article:
"But random interviews with 20 people who signed the petition and a review of the public statements of more than a dozen others suggest that many are evangelical Christians, whose doubts about evolution grew out of their religious beliefs."
So from these 20 random interviews is the extrapolation that few biologists but many evangelicals have signed the petition. In reality, biology is the most represented field in the list.

The article does brings up a good point about how a religious belief can potentially affect one's position on evolution. However, I do not agree with the implicit assertion that a Christian is not fully capable of objectively looking at the evidence. After all, everybody has a prior belief. For instance, the prior belief of an atheist may make him cling to evolutionary theory even more.

For a contrast, see a more objective article.

Posted by Art at 10:43 PM

4 Comments:

Blogger Doctor Logic said...
Your link is not to a "more objective article." That is a rehash of the original DI press release on the DI Web site.

I am a big proponent of Bayesian methods. The key point is identifying when your observations are discriminatory against various theories.

The problem with religion is that no observation ever tests the original belief. Meanwhile, human psychology is such that a failure to falsify is intuitively seen as confirmation. Religion is a trap in which, once you believe (assign a high prior), everything you see feels like confirmation. Bayes' Theorem tells you why this is a delusion. Religious beliefs have no basis in experience.

The same applies to ID. The issue that needs to be addressed is how any observation is confimatory for ID by Bayes Theorem when ID makes no predictions.

Specifically, P(ID|OurWorld) is proportional to P(OurWorld|ID) normalized by P(~OurWorld|ID). Since a designer could have designed any world (ID doesn't predict any specifics), ID is overwhelmingly disconfirmed by observation (P(~OurWorld|ID) is infinitely larger than P(OurWorld|ID)).
2/24/2006 6:15 AM
Blogger RLC said...
My advice. Put this argument in a folder and never take it out again. It is always folly to invoke a bit of "logic" that includes its own refutation. For any number of scientists ID appeals to there is, and it appears there will be for a long time, a vastly greater number on the other side (see the NCSE's Project Steve or lists of science organizations which support evolution and oppose ID).

Any argument of this sort made by an ID proponent is, by definition, obliterated by the logically implied counter. This does not reflect on the efficacy of ID. Just the validity of this misbegotten argument from miniscule authority.
2/24/2006 7:41 AM
Blogger Art said...
Hi Dr. Logic,

Your link is not to a "more objective article." That is a rehash of the original DI press release on the DI Web site.

I believe that article came from United Press International, which probably used the DI press release. In any case, the article just lays out the facts without trying to discredit the petition. Here is an article from a Canadian perspective that also does not try to implicitly undermine the petition.

Religion is a trap in which, once you believe (assign a high prior), everything you see feels like confirmation.

Sure, blind faith in religion sometimes obscures a person's view of reality. But this cuts both ways: an atheist and a theist can be equally dogmatic about their beliefs. Furthermore, even some "religious" beliefs can be rationally supported through different types of evidence.

In any case, ID is not religion -- it's a scientific interpretation based on the tangible data around us.

Specifically, P(ID|OurWorld) is proportional to P(OurWorld|ID) normalized by P(~OurWorld|ID).

Are you sure your equation is correct? It seems like the normalization factor should be P(OurWorld). It would be great to see a derivation.
3/01/2006 12:36 AM
Blogger Art said...
Hi RLC,

For any number of scientists ID appeals to there is, and it appears there will be for a long time, a vastly greater number on the other side (see the NCSE's Project Steve or lists of science organizations which support evolution and oppose ID).

I agree that there are many more evolutionists. However, we must consider the value of each signature. A signature on the "Dissent From Darwinism" list is probably hundreds of times more significant than a signature on the "Project Steve" list, since there is much more risk in signing the "Dissent From Darwinism" list (it opens a scientist up to lots of criticism).
3/07/2006 10:17 PM

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